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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: ESET Smart Security License Expires in 9 Days - Options? Reply with quote

My ESET Smart Security (SS), which includes NOD32, license will expire in 9 days. Whilst Nod & the firewall have been fine I do not use the Antispam module at all as I do not use Outlook for e-mails (using Yahoo free). People have recommended Kaspersky or Trend Micro for an AV but I don't know. I used to have KAV about 3+ years back and thought that it was fine but numerous online AV tests persuaded me to switch to Nod.

So, if I purchase a NOD32 license only (which I am inclined to do) what would be a good free firewall?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was browsing the "Retrospective/ProActive Test" (Nov. 2008) at AV-Comparatives and 2 AV scanners caught my eye:

avast! Home Edition (free)
Avira AntiVir Personal (free)

Avira AntiVir Premium (not free) seems to "outscore" NOD32 with 67% ProActive detection of "NEW" samples while avast! Professional (not free) detected 40%. NOD32 3.0.669.0 detected 54% ("results over first week only" - see AV-Comparatives for details).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use Avira (nag version) myself .....
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, does "nag version" = trial or free version?

Avira AntiVir Premium definitely outshines NOD32, at least according to AV-Comparatives' 11/08 results:

Windows viruses (out of 540) - 494/91% - - Nod - 306/51%
Script malware (out of 187) - 45/24% - - Nod - 20/11%
Worms (out of 1,390) - 1,020/73% - - Nod - 840/60%
Backdoors (out of 10,120) - 8,114/80% - - Nod - 5,838/58%
Trojans (out of 33,165) - 20,815/60% - - Nod - 15,979/48%
Other malware (out of 429) - 302/70% - - Nod - 217/51%

Total samples: 45,831. Avira AntiVir Premium total detected: 30,790/67%; NOD32 total detected: 23,200/51%.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nag = free version (pops up an advert each time it updates)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you compared the free & paid versions?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen what the paid is meant to have, but don't have a licence to try it out.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use Avast myself. No nag screen. Detection rate is the same in both Home and Pro versions (unlike some other free AV's)

Good firewalls include Comodo (you have to download the whole package; only install the components/s wanted)
Online Armour
PCtools.

There are plenty others.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, this Avira page lists the feature differences. Looks like the Premium (€19.95 / US$25.28 ) includes:

AntiSpyware (protection against spyware and adware)
WebGuard (protection against malicious websites)
AntiDrive-by (stops malware downloads while surfing)
RescueSystem (creates a bootable rescue CD)
Enhanced email protection for POP3 and SMTP
Fast Premium update server
5 euro donation to the Auerbach Foundation

This may well be worth $26.....
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, here's how avast! Professional compared to Avira AntiVir Premium (AV-Comparatives 11/08 ):

Windows viruses (out of 540) 494/91% - - avast! - 298/55%
Script malware (out of 187) - 45/24% - - avast! - 79/42%
Worms (out of 1,390) - 1,020/73% - - avast! - 503/36%
Backdoors (out of 10,120) - 8,114/80% - - avast! - 6,052/60%
Trojans (out of 33,165) - 20,815/60% - - avast! - 11,016/33%
Other malware (out of 429) - 302/70% - - avast! - 140/33%

Total samples: 45,831. Avira AntiVir Premium total detected: 30,790/67%; avast! Professional total detected: 18,088/39%.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, I've seen the test.
It would be interesting if a similar test compared the rates of both free versions.
I'd be quite happy to use Avira if Avast was not available. I've used both, in their free incarnations, and personally find Avast more to my liking.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarq57 wrote:
I know, I've seen the test.


Sorry, I wasn't trying to bash either you or avast! with all of that info. but I find it helpful to type it all out (it makes me do more than just glance at the numbers).

I, too, would love to see a free vs. paid comparo.

Since both Avira and avast! are new to me could you please elaborate on what aspects of avast! appeal to you over Avira?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No offense taken at all, I'd have to be a bit defensive to be reading that into it.
The things I personally like about Avast, in no particular order,
-Extremely configurable in terms of the different providers available (standard shield, 2 email shields, P2P, Network shield and Webshield) any of which can be deselected, or adjusted.
-The availability of a boot time scan, which can detect malware that may otherwise be locked or hidden.
-Helpful forum.
-Problems are often fixed rapidly. (I haven't had any, however.)
-Stability. (Not that Avira isn't stable.I don't know, been a while since I used it.)
-Last but not least, in real world internet surfing, and with the help of a few other thingies, such as Hosts file/SpywareBlaster, Firewall, and keeping everything ruthlessly up to date, No Infections.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to wonder if anyone, even the OP himself, has lost total sight of the original question?

Namely, " So, if I purchase a NOD32 license only (which I am inclined to do) what would be a good free firewall?"

Which now transforms the question to a Nod32 security suite question, vs. some sort of mix and match best combination of layered computer security.

And when we get to the firewall question, my IMHO contention is the freeware comodo three firewall without its deficient cavs3 anti-virus which is a long way from being ready for prime time. Its been renamed to comodo internet security now in version 3.8.69551.477, but its still a very good firewall without conflicting with other various paid and freeware AV's.

Which paid or freeware active AV's are best is quite another question, if cost and bandwidth were no object, I might choose Kaspersky, but there are always tradeoffs.

But in terms of an active firewall or AV, its still a choose one and only one question.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osage wrote:
I have to wonder if anyone, even the OP himself, has lost total sight of the original question?

Namely, " So, if I purchase a NOD32 license only (which I am inclined to do) what would be a good free firewall?"


I don't know where that quote is from but it certainly is not me ("the OP").

Osage wrote:
Which now transforms the question to a Nod32 security suite question, vs. some sort of mix and match best combination of layered computer security.


For the record, ESET sells the Smart Security "suite", which includes the NOD32 Antivirus scanner, personal firewall and antispam module.

Osage wrote:
And when we get to the firewall question, my IMHO contention is the freeware comodo three firewall without its deficient cavs3 anti-virus which is a long way from being ready for prime time. Its been renamed to comodo internet security now in version 3.8.69551.477, but its still a very good firewall without conflicting with other various paid and freeware AV's.


I have not ruled out Comodo for a firewall and this is only my fourth hour or so of looking and comparing.

Osage wrote:
Which paid or freeware active AV's are best is quite another question, if cost and bandwidth were no object, I might choose Kaspersky, but there are always tradeoffs.


From the AV-Comparatives 11/08 test, Kaspersky 8.0 detected a total of 27,483 (60%) samples while Avira AntiVir Premium netted 30,790 (67%) [total samples - 45,831]

Osage wrote:
But in terms of an active firewall or AV, its still a choose one and only one question.


I tend to agree. The only reason I ended up with ESET SS is b/c a rep. called me 2 years ago and essentially gave me a big discount for a 2-year license. I had previously used NOD32 for 1 year prior to SS.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My personal recommendations for a firewall are Outpost or Online Armour, but only as an addition to a hardware firewall (e.g. built into router) and an IDS.

Though I like ESS, I don't generally recommend security suites as I don't like single points of failure being able to effectively cripple the system and/or open it up to the world at will.

@Harry Letterman
I've seen that page, but cheers anyway (don't have the cash even if I wanted it).

Avira also offer a free "paid licence" (kinda contradiction there but lemme explain), via Trial Pay;

http://free-av.com/en/trialpay_download/1/avira_antivir_personal__free_antivirus.html

Not something I'd ever consider as I'm not a TP fan, but mentioning it for clarity (and for those less suspicious than myself hehe)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind that first part of my response - I DID say that I was inclined to purchase NOD32 separately - that was before I studied the AV-Comparatives results. Too much web-surfing. My sincere apologies. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the subject of Comodo, I'd never trust nor recommend trusting, a vendor that bundles malware with their products (optional or otherwise);

http://www.calendarofupdates.com/updates/index.php?showtopic=16253
http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/index.php?topic=13501.0
http://forums.comodo.com/help_for_v3/comodo_firewall_and_ask_toolbar-t23244.0.html;msg163612
http://certifiedbug.com/blog/2008/05/27/comodo-safesurf-toolbar-ask-toolbar/
http://securitygarden.blogspot.com/2008/05/comodo-disappointment.html
http://msmvps.com/blogs/donna/archive/2008/06/01/i-m-not-condemning-comodo-firewall-pro-but-we-users-do-not-support-questionable-toolbars.aspx
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MysteryFCM wrote:


Avira also offer a free "paid licence" (kinda contradiction there but lemme explain), via Trial Pay;

http://free-av.com/en/trialpay_download/1/avira_antivir_personal__free_antivirus.html



I looked at that Avira TrialPay page and, no thanks. I have neither the time nor patience to put up with that "Complete this offer and get this for FREE" b.s. But thanks for sharing it anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Letterman wrote:
Never mind that first part of my response - I DID say that I was inclined to purchase NOD32 separately - that was before I studied the AV-Comparatives results. Too much web-surfing. My sincere apologies. Embarassed


No worries Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Letterman wrote:
I looked at that Avira TrialPay page and, no thanks. I have neither the time nor patience to put up with that "Complete this offer and get this for FREE" b.s. But thanks for sharing it anyway.


Same reason (in addition to one or two others) that I've not bothered Wink
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