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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Windows XP Service Pack 2: Install With Care Reply with quote

Windows XP Service Pack 2: Install With Care

http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=23905071

this acrtical has some interesting points.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, for one, will be waiting a while before installing it. I'm gonna let everyone else find the bugs. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here TeMerc. Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you believe,I've encountered more issues with the final release than with any of the Betas.Talk about reverse engineering...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would you believe,I've encountered more issues with the final release than with any of the Betas.Talk about reverse engineering...

WOOOTTT!!! Laughing OPPSssss.. Embarassed ...didn't mean to laugh so hard. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ROFLMAO!!!!

Hey, but seriously TeMerc....we'll need to have a chat about SP2 somewhere. I'll go start a thread *wink*
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes we do. I also hear that the new version of Windows update has some issues...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will be waiting to d/l it allso. and will do norton ghost first.
i hear its broken nmap and other security tools sofar.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't spell "Broken" without "Windows"

...or was it "Windows" without "Broken"....

Either way the whole thing's a mess!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What can you expect from Windows and Gates? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeleterFX wrote:
You can't spell "Broken" without "Windows"

...or was it "Windows" without "Broken"....

Either way the whole thing's a mess!


hahaha! that is so true. Im waiting as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:27 am    Post subject: Block WIN XP SP2 DL Reply with quote

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For those of you that want to block the auto download of XP SP2 without having to turn off the auto update, Microsoft has a tool that blocks the download for 120 days.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2aumng.mspx


I got that from one of my site members, sounds like a good idea to wait for sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some interesting info: http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showtopic=20795

Key points, XP SP2 is around 80 MB if you have SP1 and are fully patched. If not, the full SP 2 is much larger, into the hundreds of Megabytes.

If you have a computer with application recovery CDs ( HP, Compaq, eMachine, and others) then you may want to wait or contact your computer vendor before applying this patch. If something goes wrong, you may not be able to recover your computer. See this about craputers: http://spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=4713
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's official:SP 2 breaks nmap:

http://seclists.org/lists/nmap-hackers/2004/Jul-Sep/0002.html

Get a load of the logic behind the sabotage?!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:50 pm    Post subject: Request XP SP2 on CD Reply with quote

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

That page isn't active yet, but its the way to for dialup folks.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Symantic has a page about XP SP 2:

http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/sp2/support_doc.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx Nick since thats a usefull link i use norton.!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MS info on programs that have known issues: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2

Includes Zone Alarm, Yahoo Messenger, NAV 2003, Norton GoBack, Real Player free (so sad about that one Sad ), Beckey email client, Musicmatch jukebox, Outlook 2000, 2002, and 2003, some MS Ofiice items, McAffee virus scan 4.51, Kerio personnel firewall, Kazaa (so sad Sad ), Bitdefender, Ad-Shield (not sarcasticly sad Sad ), AOL 9, and a ton of games by blizzard and others.

There are about 10 times more items in the link.

Might really want to check things out before taking the plunge.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Etrust EZArmor is partnerd with microsucks and they still nail them too!
microsucks screws every one with this update!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Automatic Recovery feature to recover your computer if the Windows XP Service Pack 2 Setup program is not completed successfully

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=875355&product=windowsxpsp2kb

If you have a computer that doesn't have a real operating system disc, then I guess you are screwed. Compaq, HP, eMachines to name a few.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick wrote:

If you have a computer that doesn't have a real operating system disc, then I guess you are screwed. Compaq, HP, eMachines to name a few.


Heh , I have a HP which came with a backup recovery partition instead of a Recovery disk , intended to combat pirate copies of XP I guess , too bad the recovery partition has never ever worked .. Rolling Eyes Laughing

I'll be avoiding SP2 for a while yet , I'm happy to stick with a clean and working pc.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

XP SP2 Warning List Released
[August 16, 2004] Users should check MS list twice to avoid possible
disruptions of third-party FTP programs, P2P applications and multimedia
streaming software.
Read the article:
http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,12di,1,ki10,6aaa,9s3s,a9gz
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this SP2 is gonna do more damage to your computer then protection. Dunno
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting perspective from an IT point of view; http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_title=Users-Backing-Away-from-Windows-XP-SP-&story_id=26357&category=netsecurity

"I.T. security body Sans Institute reported that around a third of users experienced solvable problems on installation, while one in 10 saw systems crash or had to rebuild their systems. On a disclosure site, one user said the service pack had broken several customer network installations. "

More from the same source; http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_title=Microsoft_Lists_XP_SP__Problems&story_id=26344
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i,m not impressed with xpig service smack 2!!!! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the warning list for microsucks service smack 2

XP SP2 Warning List Released
Users should check MS list twice to avoid possible disruptions of third-party
FTP
programs, P2P applications and multimedia streaming software.
http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,12gb,1,etvn,kzq,9s3s,a9gz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2. Researcher Finds Flaws in XP SP2
German security firm finds weaknesses in the service pack's warning mechanism.
http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,12kr,1,gusa,7m5r,9s3s,a9gz

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wawadave wrote:
2. Researcher Finds Flaws in XP SP2
German security firm finds weaknesses in the service pack's warning mechanism.
http://nl.internet.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=1,12kr,1,gusa,7m5r,9s3s,a9gz



Our first patch for the patch in the making Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the longest list in christendom,detailing the flaws that XP SP2 supposedly "fixes" (leaving aside the ones it causes);

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=811113

If you built something that had that many problems,wouldn't you just start over?

mmmm,I can just see it now:Longhorn:The most *nix-like Windows distro!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when we install SP2 can you turn off the firwall built into XP or are they gonna make it mandatory to stay on?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can turn it off,but be warned- SP2 could affect the functioning of your preffered firewall.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2

Unfortunately,SP2 killed my flipping expensive third party firewall.Am using Sygate,for the time being,but even that is cranky.

If you scroll through the list that URL links to,you will see details of all the software that can suffer undesirable consequences after installing SP2.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sadiebee wrote:
You can turn it off,but be warned- SP2 could affect the functioning of your preffered firewall.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2

Unfortunately,SP2 killed my flipping expensive third party firewall.Am using Sygate,for the time being,but even that is cranky.

If you scroll through the list that URL links to,you will see details of all the software that can suffer undesirable consequences after installing SP2.


How did it kill your firewall? I take it turning off XP's wasn't enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject: XP SP2 Support Tools Reply with quote

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4331.html

Windows Support Tools for Microsoft Windows XP are intended for use by Microsoft support personnel and experienced users to assist in diagnosing and resolving computer problems.

Windows XP SP2 includes updates for the following Support Tools:

Ipseccmd.exe
Httpcfg.exe
Replmon.exe
Iadstools.dll
Extract.exe
Bitsadmin.exe
Netdom.exe

The Support Tools are not automatically installed when you install Windows XP SP2. To install the Support Tools on a computer that is running Windows XP, run the Setup.exe file from the SupportTools folder on the Windows XP CD.

For more information, please visit MSKBA 838079
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't got the new Service Pack yet, partly because of the warnings that have been published and partly because I'm on dialup....can't even begin to imagine how long it will take!

Am I at any more risk for not doing it just yet? Should I wait to see if some of these issues get resolved (maybe that's a dumb question!)?

I have probably everything I need to protect my pc from crap, but I know that new nasties come out faster than lemmings over a cliff...and I don't venture into the Net other than the forums I usually visit and sites I know are safe.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MadameX wrote:
I haven't got the new Service Pack yet, partly because of the warnings that have been published and partly because I'm on dialup....can't even begin to imagine how long it will take!

Am I at any more risk for not doing it just yet? Should I wait to see if some of these issues get resolved (maybe that's a dumb question!)?

I have probably everything I need to protect my pc from crap, but I know that new nasties come out faster than lemmings over a cliff...and I don't venture into the Net other than the forums I usually visit and sites I know are safe.

Deb


Since you are on dial up, the choice is kind of made for you, wait. Even if you are fully patched and have SP1 for XP, it is still about an 80 megabyte download. That's going to tie up the phone line for quite awhile. I would wait till you can get the cd to install it. It appears that you can order it now http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx

I'm sure you are fully protected and patched with a firewall and other security tools, so you should be fine for the time it takes to wait for the cd.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Nick.

I ordered the CD, now have to wait 4-6 weeks.....!

Plus, when I went to order, FF popped up a warning about the security certificate! Thought it was kinda funny. Imagine....MS NOT a trusted site? Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx Nick i ordered one as well!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deb, from all that I have been reading, SP2 is trying to do what we already do here, and doing somewhat of a bad job, so I would stand firm right now and not take the d/l.
I'm advising all of my clients here to not take sp2, for now.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MadameX wrote:
Thanks, Nick.

Plus, when I went to order, FF popped up a warning about the security certificate! Thought it was kinda funny. Imagine....MS NOT a trusted site? Shocked

Deb (hehe)


I got that from Firefox as well. I checked with IE and didn't get it, so i wouldn't worry about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I'm not worried about it, no.

I just thought it was funny, is all.

It said it was "unable to verify the identity" of the site the link sent me to to give my information. I just had it to allow for that session Wink

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