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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Video Activex Access(zlob) developer responds on Castlecops Reply with quote

After reporting his domains to Intercage, and they took a bunch of them down,
this guy started to protest that his software wasn't malware.

I endeavored to set him straight on that point, and then challenged him to reply to my castlecops forum post,
along with a list of things he needs to do to make his software legitimate.

For your info this is the Zlob 'Video Activex Access/Object' people.
They may be different from the fake codec/dnschanger people.

The whole thread. (scroll down a bit for the discussion)

http://www.castlecops.com/postitle193662-15-0-.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! That is really intersting. Thanks for posting it here. I guess I have to wonder a little of that guy is really who he claims he is, but it could be.

I will be following that thread for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deluded or as crazy as Ashley? Speaking of which, was there any followup to that amazing idiocy? (was an absolutely FASCINATING read Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We haven't heard from Ash1ey for a long time, but now that you've mentioned him, he might pop-up.

That is an entertaining read, isn't it? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suzi wrote:
I guess I have to wonder a little of that guy is really who he claims he is, but it could be.
I will be following that thread for sure.


Its definitely surprising.

I'm pretty sure he is who he says he is. I got his first two messages
directly through the Intercage ticket system forwarded to me by them.
They said he was the owner of the account.
(his domains were hosted on Inhoster which is in Intercage's IP space)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still love how his reply was protected by a confidentiality agreement claimed there (I was able to get around one legally and post threats, harassment and intimidation under fair use and education, long story there).

But anyhoo, yuppers, Ashley was a VERY fun read. One wonders how people walk around with those kind of ethics.

Also wanted to say thanks again for helping out with the spam wierdness at work. Least IT is mobilized and doing their thing. Made for a most interesting day all around...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

supermarkio,

In that case, he probably is then. Most interesting. We ought to get this on the bloggers circuit -- get some attention to it. I'll see what I can do about that, even though I'm not blogging now.

Nightmaretony,

Glad we could help. Olliver (a notepet) posted some very good information and he is very well versed on the subject.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, Anthony must be taking lessons from adware companies, like Zango comes to mind when he says:

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As an example, I can say that sometimes our adware products are used by our affiliates in unfair tactics such as exploits and stuff. We strongly prohibit this and we block any webmasterís account found breaking our rules. However we can not predict everything and sometimes we have to deal with dumb webmasters that simply cause us some troubles.


Ummm.. yeah, blame it on the affililates and the dumb webmasters. Rolling Eyes

You might ask him what they are doing to stop the naughty affiliates and dumb webmasters, and remind him that is his job, not anyone else's. Zango, and some software companies whose affilates used deceptive advertising (Xoftspy and SpyHunter come to mind) used to ask us to report naughty affiliates to them and the answer is always -- it's not our job to police your affiliates -- it's your job.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Suzi, thats what I thought as well.

There's alot of things he needs to answer for which he hasn't yet.
You're welcome to jump in there yourself if you like.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see if he comes back first, then I'll post in the thread. I sent the link to a few people, mabye it will get blogged. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that. And certainly something that I will keep on my radar since I blog about alot of rogues and codecs etc.

I still am suspicious about all of this due to the fact we had a similar comment last year when I blogged about a rogue. I kind of slamdunked them and they never replied again ... oh well.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone might want to get the live links here munged;

http://www.castlecops.com/p965479-Live_Trojan_Zlob_Dnschanger_hosting_sites_takedown.html#965479
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MysteryFCM wrote:
Someone might want to get the live links here munged;

http://www.castlecops.com/p965479-Live_Trojan_Zlob_Dnschanger_hosting_sites_takedown.html#965479


Shocked I can see where much of that post will either be edited or deleted once a mod or admin sees it. I totally sympathize with the sentiments and in fact mutter similar as I deleted accounts 2 & 3 at a time, but egads it is an all ages forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

suzi wrote:
Let's see if he comes back first, then I'll post in the thread. I sent the link to a few people, mabye it will get blogged. Cool


Alex beat me to it, but I'll pimp it from Spywareguide anyway
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, blogged here.

http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/bizarre-zlob-guy-posts-on-public-forum.html

It looks like someone cleaned up that post.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He responded to my post:

http://www.castlecops.com/p965620-Live_Trojan_Zlob_Dnschanger_hosting_sites_takedown.html#965620

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We have many people in our team (Programmers, designers, webmasters) however we dont have any business entity because we dont need one.

I am not in the US. Neither most people from our team.

Our affiliates / partners correspond with us via email or messengers.


Not surprising at all. I was hoping for something interesting though.
His IP address says US, but its not an ISP, so probably a co-locator server or proxy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm.. all of his posts are from the same IP address.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ipall.ch?ip=69.57.167.90

It sure looks like they are in the US. Savvis is in New York.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracert.ch?ip=69.57.167.90

I wouldn't necessarily believe everything he says either. The bit about not being a business entity sound bogus to me. There has to be a money trail, whether they call themselves a business entity or not. The affiiliates have to be paid and their installations tracked, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The IP says its from Fortressitx.
http://fortressitx.com/
Not sure what to make of that though.

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I wouldn't necessarily believe everything he says either. The bit about not being a business entity sound bogus to me. There has to be a money trail, whether they call themselves a business entity or not. The affiiliates have to be paid and their installations tracked, etc.


He obviously has his own interests in mind by posting.
I'm not really sure what his angle is yet.
At first I thought it was to avoid being taken down, and maybe now he wants to move his software from the malware category to spyware/adware.
If doing that keeps his sites from being taken down and makes him more money, them I'm sure he's all for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I mean to say Savvis is their upstream. It's hard to say. I don't see anything to indicate that Fortressitx is a provider of internet access services, like a typical ISP, like Comcast, Verizon and such. He may be connected through a VPN with a US IP address and be physically located elsewhere. Or something like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savvis is a service provider.

This is from the descritption meta tag:
"SAVVIS, Inc. (NASDAQ: SVVS) is a global IT utility services provider that leads the industry in delivering secure, reliable, and scalable hosting, network, and application services. SAVVIS' strategic approach combines the use of virtualization technology, a utility services model, and automated software management and provisioning systems. SAVVIS solutions enable customers to focus on their core business while SAVVIS ensures the quality of their IT infrastructure. With an IT services platform that extends to 45 countries, SAVVIS is one of the world's largest providers of IP computing services."

From their Network Services page:
"SAVVIS operates an integrated global IP and transport network that delivers IP VPN and Internet solutions for enterprises and carriers alike. The SAVVIS IP network spans 105 cities in 47 countries, encompassing the U.S., Canada, Latin America, Europe, The Middle East, Asia and the Pacific Rim."

It is possible he is in the Ukraine, and is utilizing a VPN provided by Savvis with a US based server.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I posted there.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like I'm banging my head into a wall.

I just spent a couple hours going over the software again and taking screenshots for a new post.
Nothing has changed except a little more info was buried into the license agreement.
I doubt anything will ever change with it in any meaningful way.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately you are probably correct. They are probably making too much $$ to change their ways. When the sites are registered to enties in lawless countries and hosted in lawless countries, there is not much that can be done except to educate and warn the internet public. And get all their files into the AV and anti-spyware definitions so they can be detected.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what he was thinking even making a showing. Like he thought he could just bluff his way through any accusations and move on.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Like he thought he could just bluff his way through any accusations and move on.


He's been drinking the same Kool Aid the Zango people drink.... Laughing Twisted Evil By that I mean they think they can tell some huge whoppers (lies) and people will believe them. Snakeman
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they all drink the same Kool-Aid. Every rogue vendor and malware pusher all have the same song and dance.

The same smug attitude that they are so much more clever than those of us that deal with the end results.

If this guy comes back to make a statement, I bet he says he had to spend time with his family! Or some other lame excuse for why he hasn't made a reply to the solid evidence being posted against him. Maybe he is getting his child porn sites moved around again so no one can bust them for that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeanInMontana wrote:
I think they all drink the same Kool-Aid. Every rogue vendor and malware pusher all have the same song and dance.

The same smug attitude that they are so much more clever than those of us that deal with the end results.

If this guy comes back to make a statement, I bet he says he had to spend time with his family! Or some other lame excuse for why he hasn't made a reply to the solid evidence being posted against him. Maybe he is getting his child spam sites moved around again so no one can bust them for that.
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I think I'm going to join Castlecops just so I can post in that forum. It's a rare opportunity just to catch a snake in the grass out of their hole. But yes, it's the same with every bad application vendor. They all have the same intention, which is to make money, and destroy computers. I wonder what would happen if every computer in the world was eventually rendered unusable because of Zlob? I wonder what they'd be doing illegally next to profit from destruction, fraud, scamming, stealing, and lying? It would be very interesting, to say at the least, that's for sure. But, at least you know that some how, one day, their bad, and evil practices will come back and hurt them. Oh, yes, one day, they'll slip up. And that'll be the end. Just like with Zango. Eventually, they'll be forced to publish their code in the court of law, if they continue to sue reputable anti-spyware vendors, for false claims. I soon hope, that one day, soon, the makers of Smitfraud, Zlob, Spy-Axe/Spy-Sheriff/VirusGold, etc. will be found, and they will be sued, or better yet, put away behind bars, and their shady businesses shut down.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I see I'm being censored here too. That's special.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeanInMontana wrote:
Well, I see I'm being censored here too. That's special.
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What do you mean?
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That is not what I posted. The word spam has been somehow put in place of the word porn. The post shows I edited it twice because I did click the edit button as I thought I had typed the wrong word, but the original word is there if I open the edit box.

I was basically told to shut up at CC and insulted thoroughly so that is why I said here too.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and again....someone has altered the word filter so p-o-r-n comes out as spam.

Edit for typo

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We do have some word filters in place. They apply to all posts, you are not being singled out. Smile

The word filters we have are either swear words (like the f-word) or words that spammers like to use. Spammers were posting stuff advertsing p o r n videos, (that were actually links to zlob trojans). The word filters make it appear as "spam videos", which makes it apparent to anyone who might read it before we could delete it that it is what it is... spam.

I hope you don't take offense to that. It's our attempt to keep the forum family friendly and warn users of spam posts.
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I understand Suzi, it was just a big shock to see what I was sure I had said, changed and fresh after the other incident.

You know what they say, just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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I was basically told to shut up at CC . . .

Each site is different and has a different way of handling controversial or high profile threads. You also don't know what discussions may have taken place out of sight. I believe that for the protection of CC, the distinction was made between the terms and the current law. Anyway, best thing, let it go. It will be interesting to see how AnthW hangs himself on his own.

Now, Paperghost, can I say you are nothing short of spectacular? PG, you have a way with words that I can only envy and will never be able to emulate. Does anyone think they might have possibly received the message regarding Zango + 3 million dollar settlement?
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Please, no forum politics from other sites here.
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Now, Paperghost, can I say you are nothing short of spectacular? PG, you have a way with words that I can only envy and will never be able to emulate. Does anyone think they might have possibly received the message regarding Zango + 3 million dollar settlement?

That was indeed an excellent post! The part about the sendkeys attack was particularly good as many readers may not have known about that. MechBgone bears watching in that topic as well, as he has been installing and running the software before commenting. S!ri made some good points also.

Working from the assumption that AnthW is beyond the reach of the FTC I doubt that he is overly concerned about Zango's settlement terms. What I think he might be concerned with is establishing the fact that "his" software does nothing that other software doesn't also do with the ultimate aim of having it removed from detection. He has made several references to laws and rules, as if conformance to those exonerates him and will somehow persuade the AV/AS folks to remove the detection.

It will be interesting to see just how much he incriminates himself before he realizes that the whole discussion was a mistake.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnthW replied again.
Looks like he finally made that website he said he would.
But the software itself remains the same.

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We have launched website that will help users to install/uninstall software. It also has online copy of EULA and contact email.
URL is http://www.activexobj.com/
This will be included in our EULA in the next update.


He pretty much ignored most of my statements or sidestepped the real issues.
I just don't have time to deal with him anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found that in most cases guys like him aren't interested in changing. It doesn't take long for dialogue with them to become a waste of time. If someone is sincere about making changes, you will know it right away.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

supermarkio wrote:
AnthW replied again.
Looks like he finally made that website he said he would.
But the software itself remains the same.

Quote:

We have launched website that will help users to install/uninstall software. It also has online copy of EULA and contact email.
URL is http://www.activexobj.com/
This will be included in our EULA in the next update.


He pretty much ignored most of my statements or sidestepped the real issues.
I just don't have time to deal with him anymore.

Still though, if that guy is who he says is he, (scum at that), it is amazing he even posted on a forum. I'm going to keep that thread at Castlecops bookmarked. Although, yes, Suzi, I agree with you. The EULA for Zlob probably will not change, and neither will the people that made it, and keep it up for download. (I'd even say if they do put an "uninstall" option for Zlob on that website, I bet it probably would install more malware onto your computer. However, I'm not going to that site, as I don't trust AnthW enough to go there, neither do I want to risk my computer.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh I went there, reported it to SiteAdvisor, SiteHound and added it to the hpHosts list for inclusion next update. It will join the 69 other entries from that IP!
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